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Elitebook 8740w’s ATI FirePro M7820’s confirmed relation to Mobility Radeon 5870

This picture is for illustration only =) but you get the point

Totally excited about the upcoming 17 inch HP Elitebook 8740w? Then there’s even more exciting news! It’s obvious now that, not only does the Core i7 Quad, 4 DIMM RAM slot sporting Elitebook 8740w want your attention before you drop several grand on a MacBook Pro 17 “for graphics design”… it also wants to be an Asus G73 (a gaming notebook, the only one in the market at the moment with ATI Mobility Radeon 5870 graphics) fighter as well. A reliable source who only wishes to be known as “HP Fan” has posted findings on their recent hands-on with the ATI FirePro M7820 equipped Elitebook 8740w, that the FirePro M7820 is based off the consumer top-of-the-line (for mobile graphics) ATI Mobility Radeon 5870! Like its consumer counterpart, the workstation-class FirePro M7820 supports DirectX 11, has a huge 1 GB of memory and sips a humble 50W at max (compared to 100W of the top Nvidia Quadro FX3800M card).

Want proof? HP Fan has discovered that CPU-Z lists the Elitebook 8740w’s FirePro M7820 to have GPU and memory clock listings of 700 Mhz and 1000 Mhz respectively (which is in-line with the listings detected by CPU-Z in various reviews of the Asus G73 + ATI Mobility Radeon 5870, and also specifications on AMD’s official website). Even better yet, the ATI FirePro M7820 in the Elitebook 8740w has apparently the more powerful GDDR5 memory (because weaker GDDR3 and DDR3 variations of the Mobility Radeon 5870 exist) and it  scores 12,249 points in 3D Mark 06 (even when unfortunately paired with a comparatively, lowly Core i5 520M dual core processor); ORB even lists the card as “ATI Mobility Radeon 5870″ (!!!).

The sad part to all this good news? If you’re looking to go for the color-precise DreamColor display option HP offers, you can only pick a Nvidia card to go with it. However, if you’re not some photographer, hardcore graphics designer, or work at DreamWorks… just someone who wants a computer for “regular” CAD and design work, which can also double as a very nice gaming notebook, then the HP Elitebook 8740w with ATI graphics is probably for you. Pair it up with a Core i7 (Quad) processor and the Elitebook 8740w + ATI FirePro M7820 can effectively become a nice alternative that’s lighter and more compact than the Asus G73 gaming notebook (and also the Alienware M17x gaming notebook). Nice!

So to get DreamColor (and forced with Nvidia graphics, at the moment) or butt-kicking ATI graphics? That is the question… but just remember that the ATI FirePro M7820 supports DirectX 11 (Quadro FX3800M) doesn’t, performs better (in gaming, at least) while consuming half the power of the FX3800M and is a whopping $895 cheaper than the FX3800M (strange, isn’t it) using HP’s CTO notebook configurator. It’s also noteworthy that “HP Fan” says there will definitely be a new graphics card option towards later this year for the Elitebook 8740w, and it’s probably Nvidia “Fermi Quadro for Mobile” (say that three times as fast).

HP Elitebook 8740w and ATI FirePro M7820 appear on multiple HP websites

HP Elitebook 8740w listed for order on HP UK website!

Disappointed that you didn’t see any sign of the Elitebook 8740w last weekend? Well, let’s turn that frown upside down because the HP Elitebook 8740w (sans press pictures) has recently appeared on multiple country-specific HP websites. On HP’s UK website, the Elitebook 8740w is listed from 1949 pounds for the Core i5 540M equipped version right up to just shy over 2300 pounds for the Core i7 720QM quad core model. The Elitebook 8740w has also appeared on HP’s websites for other countries around the globe, from HP Saudi Arabia to HP Bulgaria. Oddly enough, there hasn’t been an official announcement from HP yet, neither has the 8740w Mobile Workstation appeared on HP’s USA/Main website yet… but from today’s events, you can look out for an announcement before March is over!

For those who want all the news right here without clicking any links, HP’s UK website seems to provide the most info about the Elitebook 8740w Mobile Workstation, but nothing that we don’t know about already thanks to tips from a trusted source several weeks back.

• Processor choices: 1.73 GHz Core i7 820QM quad core, 1.60 GHz Core i7 720QM quad core, 2.66 GHz Core i7 620M dual core, 2.53 GHz Core i5 540M dual core and 2.40 GHz Core i5 520M dual core
• 4 DDR3 1333 MHz RAM slots for up to 16 GB total RAM
• 7200 RPM hard disks are standard; capacities available range from 320 to 640 GB
• 17 inch 16:10 full HD+ (1920 x 1200) display with optional DreamColor (looks like DC1 at this point in time); ambient light sensor for display is standard
• Choice of 1 GB ATI FirePro M7820 GDDR5, 1 GB Nvidia Quadro FX3800M GDDR3 or 512 MB Nvidia Quadro FX2800M GDDR3 workstation-class graphics cards
• 2 MP webcam
• Optical drive/upgrade bay for secondary hard disk
• 2 USB 2.0 ports and 2 USB 3.0 ports; other ports remain the same as 8730w except HDMI which has been replaced by DisplayPort
• Weight: 3.57 kg
• Dimensions: 39.75 x 28.55 x 3.65 cm

What’s missing at the moment, but are confirmed to become available in the future, include the DreamColor 2 display panel, backlit keyboard option and solid state drive options.

ATI FirePro M7820 confirmed on HP UK Elitebook 8740w page

P.S. Anyone noticed that HP has placed the ATI FirePro M7820 above the Nvidia Quadro FX3800M?! Hint hint at graphics card positioning there…

HP Eliteboook 8740w specifications leak; plus leaks roundup

Picture by reader T.Y.: Is this the 8740w's lid?!

It looks like we now have enough information to construct a rumors + specifications roundup, with special thanks going out for a few anonymous tipsters, a person by the name ‘HP Fan‘ who has seen an Elitebook 8740w datasheet (!!) and plenty of internet searchers =). First off, a little update about announcement time: a reliable source is “pretty confident” that the Elitebook 8740w will be coming out this month along with other products targeting designers and people who do graphics work (ie DreamColor 2 and new external display panels) – I can see the adrenaline build-up in the crowd already!

HP Elitebook 8740w processor options (Thanks, Google Cache!)

And here’s what’s been confirmed about the HP Elitebook 8740w so far (I’ve included links to old/related posts in case you’ve missed them in the past):

• Intel Core i7 720QM 1.6 GHz quad core processor and 820QM 1.73 GHz quad core processor; ‘other’ Core i5 processors
• 4 DDR3 1333 MHz RAM slots for up to 16 GB of total RAM
• ONE hard disk bay with optical drive; removable optical drive doubles as expansion bay
• NEW ATI FirePro M7820 workstation graphics; with 1GB GDDR5 memory
• Choice of new ATI FirePro M7820 graphics above, Nvidia Quadro FX3800M or Nvidia Quadro FX2800M
• 17 inch display (up to full HD); optional full HD DreamColor 2 display (same tech, but obviously different size, as 8540w DC2)
• Full-size keyboard with number pad; partial-chiclet style!
• Selective number of USB 3.0 ports
• Single-touch trackpad with pointing set; 2 sets of 3 mouse buttons
• 7.86 lbs weight AKA 3.57 kg

Oh, the Elitebook 8740w will also be compatible with some sort of new “2010 Advanced WKS Docking Station”… whatever that means, along with other newly launched Elitebooks (except 2540p and 2740p).

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SLI/CrossFire, GPU dock for Elitebooks, other HP notebooks

So there’s been a lot of talk about GPU docks since Gigabyte showcased one of their notebooks recently, which has integrated Intel graphics but allows users to park their notebook to a dock which holds an external Nvidia desktop graphics card. Besides feasibility and potential demand (how many people need/want such an accessory?), there’s no reason why HP can’t do the same for their Elitebook series, and perhaps their other notebooks in the future.

SLI/CrossFire GPU dock for Elitebooks

Let’s split things up into two sections – first, I’ll talk about the Elitebook side of things. The Elitebook series are already prepared to support such an accessory – via the dedicated connector for existing docking stations (small/large) at the bottom of the notebook. Since HP’s Elitebooks (14 inches and up) already come with built-in dedicated graphics solutions, an external graphics dock can house a secondary graphics card which the notebook can make use of. So when docked, your Elitebook can become an SLI/Crossfire dual graphics card powerhouse! This might pose a bit of a problem for Nvidia’s graphics cards, as SLI only works with two of the same cards and, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think Nvidia’s Quadro mobile cards can bind to work as one (Quadro Plex seems to be only for desktop cards?) – seeing each Elitebook model uses different Nvidia graphics, I’d say it’ll also be too expensive for HP to create ‘GPU docks’ unique to each notebook/graphics card combination.

But wait, we have ATI’s FirePro mobile cards coming to 2010 HP Elitebooks. Could GPU docking/cross-firing be one of the reasons why HP is bringing ATI graphics to their ex-Nvidia exclusive Elitebooks? I’m not quite sure… but seeing existing CrossFire (ATI’s version of SLI) implementations allow use of two different graphics cards, then HP could make a one-size-fits-all GPU dock – stuffing in something like an ATI Mobility Radeon 5870 or FirePro equivalent of that – as an optional add-on. If you’ve ever seen the performance increase in CAD work using 1 vs 2 graphics cards, then you’d know why such an accessory (CrossFire GPU dock) has the potential to sell like hotcakes to the market of mobile power-users, artists and designers.

Dedicated graphics GPU dock for Pavilion/Compaq notebooks

The thing which makes me think such an accessory can sell is because of real life experience with some people I know. Most recently, I “converted” one of my friends from ‘game spectator’ to ‘player’. All it took was watching me play Left4Dead 2 on an Elitebook 8440w I was testing, and she was sold on the idea of ‘PC gaming’ – she had never expected that a 14 inch notebook could play games so well (versus consoles), and also because a game about chopping up zombies somehow seems to appeal to many people (huh?!). She initially installed Left4Dead 2 on her Dell notebook (I think it’s either an XPS or Studio 14) and was disappointed by the choppy frame rates because of Intel integrated graphics. Long story short, she now has to temporarily play her newly acquired PC games on her sister’s notebook which has a Nvidia GT200-series mobile card while she shops for a new one with discrete graphics.

There is an untapped market of users who want to ‘game’ with their notebooks but don’t know that they can’t game for peanuts with Intel integrated graphics, either that, or the psychology is that ‘no laptop is powerful enough for games, I will need a desktop but in that case, I’d rather buy a PS3/XBOX instead’. Including a desktop graphics card in a notebook dock can not only help in performance (dekstop graphics typically have better performance per dollar than mobile equivalents), but also might help computer makers earn more per customer. Why? Traditionally, the average consumer and/or student would not pay more than $500-$900 for a ‘laptop’ due to their ‘budgets’… and for games, they go out there and buy a gaming console instead; since the common false perception is that PS3/XBox 360 consoles are superior compared to PC’s for gaming (Personally: To hell with that statement, how do you explain things like the HP Envy 15 and Alienware M11x?!). An external graphics card dock for ‘gaming’ would psychologically fall under the “accessories I should buy” list in consumers’ minds, for which they have separate budget allocations for. Yup, I’ve seen it happen before: Most people aren’t willing to pay a few more bucks for the discrete graphics option so they can game, yet they’re willing to pay something ridiculous like a hundred bucks for a ‘color/pattern matching notebook case’ or notebook cooler.

Coincidentally, HP has this port called “Expansion Port 3″ for an external dock for some of their Pavilion notebooks. I wonder what other things they could do with it…