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SLI/CrossFire, GPU dock for Elitebooks, other HP notebooks

So there’s been a lot of talk about GPU docks since Gigabyte showcased one of their notebooks recently, which has integrated Intel graphics but allows users to park their notebook to a dock which holds an external Nvidia desktop graphics card. Besides feasibility and potential demand (how many people need/want such an accessory?), there’s no reason why HP can’t do the same for their Elitebook series, and perhaps their other notebooks in the future.

SLI/CrossFire GPU dock for Elitebooks

Let’s split things up into two sections – first, I’ll talk about the Elitebook side of things. The Elitebook series are already prepared to support such an accessory – via the dedicated connector for existing docking stations (small/large) at the bottom of the notebook. Since HP’s Elitebooks (14 inches and up) already come with built-in dedicated graphics solutions, an external graphics dock can house a secondary graphics card which the notebook can make use of. So when docked, your Elitebook can become an SLI/Crossfire dual graphics card powerhouse! This might pose a bit of a problem for Nvidia’s graphics cards, as SLI only works with two of the same cards and, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think Nvidia’s Quadro mobile cards can bind to work as one (Quadro Plex seems to be only for desktop cards?) – seeing each Elitebook model uses different Nvidia graphics, I’d say it’ll also be too expensive for HP to create ‘GPU docks’ unique to each notebook/graphics card combination.

But wait, we have ATI’s FirePro mobile cards coming to 2010 HP Elitebooks. Could GPU docking/cross-firing be one of the reasons why HP is bringing ATI graphics to their ex-Nvidia exclusive Elitebooks? I’m not quite sure… but seeing existing CrossFire (ATI’s version of SLI) implementations allow use of two different graphics cards, then HP could make a one-size-fits-all GPU dock – stuffing in something like an ATI Mobility Radeon 5870 or FirePro equivalent of that – as an optional add-on. If you’ve ever seen the performance increase in CAD work using 1 vs 2 graphics cards, then you’d know why such an accessory (CrossFire GPU dock) has the potential to sell like hotcakes to the market of mobile power-users, artists and designers.

Dedicated graphics GPU dock for Pavilion/Compaq notebooks

The thing which makes me think such an accessory can sell is because of real life experience with some people I know. Most recently, I “converted” one of my friends from ‘game spectator’ to ‘player’. All it took was watching me play Left4Dead 2 on an Elitebook 8440w I was testing, and she was sold on the idea of ‘PC gaming’ – she had never expected that a 14 inch notebook could play games so well (versus consoles), and also because a game about chopping up zombies somehow seems to appeal to many people (huh?!). She initially installed Left4Dead 2 on her Dell notebook (I think it’s either an XPS or Studio 14) and was disappointed by the choppy frame rates because of Intel integrated graphics. Long story short, she now has to temporarily play her newly acquired PC games on her sister’s notebook which has a Nvidia GT200-series mobile card while she shops for a new one with discrete graphics.

There is an untapped market of users who want to ‘game’ with their notebooks but don’t know that they can’t game for peanuts with Intel integrated graphics, either that, or the psychology is that ‘no laptop is powerful enough for games, I will need a desktop but in that case, I’d rather buy a PS3/XBOX instead’. Including a desktop graphics card in a notebook dock can not only help in performance (dekstop graphics typically have better performance per dollar than mobile equivalents), but also might help computer makers earn more per customer. Why? Traditionally, the average consumer and/or student would not pay more than $500-$900 for a ‘laptop’ due to their ‘budgets’… and for games, they go out there and buy a gaming console instead; since the common false perception is that PS3/XBox 360 consoles are superior compared to PC’s for gaming (Personally: To hell with that statement, how do you explain things like the HP Envy 15 and Alienware M11x?!). An external graphics card dock for ‘gaming’ would psychologically fall under the “accessories I should buy” list in consumers’ minds, for which they have separate budget allocations for. Yup, I’ve seen it happen before: Most people aren’t willing to pay a few more bucks for the discrete graphics option so they can game, yet they’re willing to pay something ridiculous like a hundred bucks for a ‘color/pattern matching notebook case’ or notebook cooler.

Coincidentally, HP has this port called “Expansion Port 3″ for an external dock for some of their Pavilion notebooks. I wonder what other things they could do with it…

ATI FirePro M5800 graphics leaked; coming to HP Elitebook 8540w!

ATI FirePro M5800 graphics leaked; coming to HP Elitebook 8540w!

ATI FirePro M5800 listed in a HP Elitebook 8540w document

Big, big, BIG new folks! In the specifications/overview section of a PDF document (PDF reader required! ATI FirePro M5800 is listed on Page 9) posted on the HP Elitebook 8540w support page. Initially said to use “exclusively Nvidia Quadro” cards (though I did beg to differ), looks like HP had a change of heart over choice of graphics on the new Elitebooks (after reading my widely-spread bright idea?) and will be giving those that lust for high-end performance (example: me) a dose of ATI graphics! Workstation-class graphics too!

For now, all we have is a name in the document: ATI FirePro M5800, yet I can draw several things from this piece of info alone. First off, this card will be part of ATI’s new workstation-class graphics line for notebooks, and will be equivalent to or better than Nvidia’s Quadro FX1800M/GeForce GT335M graphics cards. Several of my trusted sources have confirmed the news of ATI making a comeback to HP’s Elitebook mobile workstation notebooks. The ATI FirePro M5800 workstation card is expected to be derived from its ATI Mobility Radeon 5830 or 5850 consumer-counterpart and have 1 GB of DDR3/GDDR5 graphics memory. Given my cool experience (no pun intended) with HP’s new Elitebook 8440p/w and 8540w notebooks, I’d say the airflow/cooling of the 8540w will be more than enough to handle this new, fast and furious graphics from ATI!

Oh, there are also numerous other references to the ATI FirePro M5800 throughout the rest of the document as well (such as the fan/heatsink section). For those interested, go ahead and download it; it’s a pretty interesting read on the guts and components of the Elitebook 8540.

HP Touchsmart tm2 tablet now official!

HP Touchsmart tm2 tablet now official!

It’s here! The HP Touchsmart tm2 tablet PC! This notebook has a 12 inch multi-touch display, an all new design (versus the old Pavilion tx1000, tx2000 and tx2), is powered by a Intel Core 2 Duo processor and has ATI graphics. Here’s a list of the Touchsmart tm2′s main features:

  • Intel Core 2 Duo low-voltage processor
  • ATI graphics
  • Full-sized chiclet keyboard “borrowed from the Pavilion dm3″
  • 12 inch capacitive multi-touch screen (you can use either your fingers or the included stylus) with swivel function
  • 3 USB ports, VGA connector, covered LAN port, headphone jack (no microphone port, probably shared with the headphone port), HDMI output
  • Buttonless trackpad like on the Envy 13/15: it supports multi-touch but can also be set to conventional “single touch” mode
  • New Touchsmart UI and Bump Top 3D desktop interfaces for interactive multi-touch
  • New, slimmer and more solid design (new imprint patterns too!)
  • External optical drive (there’s none built-in)
  • 9 hour battery life
  • Sub-$1000 starting price

HP Touchsmart tm2 tablet now official!

In my opinion, the Touchsmart tm2 is a whole lot like a ‘tablet Envy’ with its new design and specifications. You can see a lot of HP Envy design elements on the bottom half of the notebook (keyboard, palmrest, buttonless trackpad, rounded edges and simple port layout) as well as in its features list (long battery life, multitouch trackpad support, an Intel low-voltage processor paired with ATI graphics) which make it sound much like the Envy 13. The upper-half looks like a mashup of the original Touchsmart tx2′s glossy display with the slimness of the Elitebook 2730p tablet’s display. And there are buttons on the edges of the screen too, to be used when the Touchsmart tm2 is in slate mode. Thankfully, the price of the Touchsmart tm2 is more reasonable than the HP Envy series, with a sub-$1000 starting price tag. If you asked me, all of a sudden, the Touchsmart tm2 is starting to look real tasty… it’s almost the perfect ultra-portable notebook/tablet, save for the glossy display.

HP Envy vs MacBook Pro, really?!

Thanks to HP United Kingdom posting up the product page for the HP Envy 13, I finally have some numbers to play with and make a comparison ABOUT the comparisons people are making out there. First off, a little intro about what’s been happening since HP announced their Envy 13 and Envy 15 designer+performance notebooks five days ago… people have been touting the Envy 15 as the notebook that practically ‘owns’ (AKA pwns) the Apple MacBook Pro (any existing MB Pro) with its 1 GB of ATI graphics, quad core Mobile Core i7 option, solid construction, stuff like that.

On the contrary, the Envy 15′s sibling, the Envy 13 has been called ‘less impressive’ and ‘an overpriced copycat’ of the Apple MacBook Pro 13. Really now? I digress. First off, let’s take a look at the dimensions of the 13 inch MacBooks available.

Note: I’ll be using centimeters since HP UK has no measurements for the Envy 13 in inches and it’s only fair to use manufacturer supplied dimensions, instead of DIY conversion.

Apple MacBook White aka Plastic (13 inch model) = 32.5 x 22.7 x 2.75 cm @ 2.27 kg

Apple MacBook Pro Unibody (13 inch model) = 32.5 x 22.7 x 2.41 cm @ 2.04 kg

Got that? Now for the Envy 13:

HP Envy 13 (13 inch model) = 32.0 x 21.5 x 2.05 cm @ 1.70 kg (Source: HP UK)

The Envy 13 is a good 3.6 millimeters slimmer than Apple’s Unibody MacBook and also shorter/narrow. So there’s no way HP could have packs in a optical drive into the Envy 13, neither could they have stuffed in an Ethernet port without making the notebook thicker. HOWEVER, HP did manage to push in double the graphics memory (512 MB on Envy vs 256 MB on MacBook), a removable batteryand most ‘essential ports’ – things that I would personally appreciate more than an optical drive or Ethernet port. Not to mention the Envy 13 is supposed to feature ‘Beats’ audio, which people claim to produce much better sound than conventional notebook speakers.

Back to my point, people are complaining that the Envy 13′s $1699 price tag is too high. Why buy the Envy 13 when the so-called similar Apple MacBook Pro 13 can be had for 30% less at $1199, right? Wrong! I say that it’s only right to compare the HP Envy 13 to Apple’s MacBook Air (both spec and price wise).

Apple MacBook Air (13 inch model) = 32.5 x 22.7 x 1.94 cm @ 1.36 kg

That’s right folks, the HP Envy 13 is mere millimeters thicker than the MacBook Air. In fact, the HP Envy 13 is overall, a more compact notebook compared to the Apple MacBook Air. If you compare their volumes, the HP Envy 13 is 1410.4 cubic cm while the Apple MacBook Air comes in at 1431.235 cubic cm. Simply put, if you could fill water (but please don’t in real life) into the empty casings of both notebooks, the MacBook Air would hold more liquid (bigger) than the Envy.

Fine, the size difference isn’t huge, but my point was to prove the Envy is positioned closer to the Air than the Pro. But the Envy and Air have more than size in common: Lack of an optical drive, ultra-slim profiles, 1.86 GHz ULV SL9400 processors – you get the point. The Envy 13 costs $1699 but the MacBook Air is priced at a close $1499 ($1799 for the 2.13 GHz/SSD model) – pretty close huh?

HP hasn’t mentioned anything about disk capacities for the Envy 13 and Envy 15 yet. But comparing the HP Envy 13 and Apple MacBook Air in general, paying $200 extra for the HP Envy 13 versus the cheaper Air would get you:

  • A HDMI port in place of Display Port
  • 1 additional USB port
  • 1 hour of extra battery life (5 hours built-in on Air, 6 hours primary battery on Envy)
  • Ability to add-on a secondary battery to extend battery life to 18 hours
  • More graphics memory (256 MB Nvidia on Air, 512 MB ATI on Envy)
  • Option for DDR3 RAM up to 5 GB (Apple locks the Air to 2 GB)
  • Supposedly better audio quality

Again, the difference between the Envy 13 and MacBook Pro is too large (no pun intended), in my opinion, for a fair comparison to be carried out. There’s no way HP could’ve fit in larger/more components into the Envy.

I don’t have the Envy 13 in person but I do have a Pavilion dv2 to get an idea of the Envy’s size.

HP Pavilion dv2 (12 inch screen) = 29.2 x 24.0 x 2.37 cm @ 1.70 kg

The dv2 is thinner than the MacBook Pro 13, and in turn, the Envy 13 is even slimmer than the dv2. So imagine that, HP had to do use some really compact components and a lot of design planning to make the Envy 13 as capable as it is now. Hence the premium price.

If you’re still complaining about the HP Envy 13 being more expensive than the Apple MacBook Pro 13, do yourself (and Apple) a favor by also complaining about how the MacBook Air is pricier than the MacBook Pro. After all, the Envy 13 is the Windows cousin to the MacBook Air. The MacBook Pro 13 is a whole different animal.

Disclaimer: In no way is this article an anti-Apple or pro-HP post. I merely stating my observation on how people are comparing the HP Envy 13 to the wrong notebook. It should be HP Envy 13 vs Apple MacBook Air, because, again, the MacBook Pro 13 is a different class of notebook compared to the Envy.

HP Envy 13 and HP Envy 15; both official!

Well, they’re official now – HP just announced their Envy 13 and Envy 15 ultra-thin, stylish notebooks. The Envy 13 looks extremely appealing and looks like a good replacement for my Pavilion dv4 notebook… in a year’s time, and if I can afford it by then.

HP Envy 13:

  • Intel Core 2 Duo processor
  • 13.1 inch LED-backlit widescreen display (16:9 aspect ratio; 1366 x 768 pixels)
  • 2 DDR3 RAM slots
  • Chiclet style keyboard
  • 512 MB ATI graphics card
  • Intelligent switching between dedicated ATI HD 4330 and Intel integrated graphics for battery life/performance priority
  • 2 USB ports, 1 combined audio in/out jack, HDMI port
  • Optional battery slice extends battery life up to 18 hours (think of the super-thin extended battery of the Elitebook 2730p)
  • Less than 1 inch thick
  • $1699 introduction price

HP Envy 15:

  • Intel Core i7 processor
  • 15.6 inch LED-backlit full HD widescreen display (16:9 aspect ratio; 1920 x 1080 pixels)
  • Chiclet style keyboard
  • 1 GB ATI HD 4830 graphics card
  • Night vision/Infra red equipped VGA webcam
  • 4 DDR3 RAM slots
  • Dual drive bays
  • Optional battery slice extends battery life up to 7 hours
  • About 1 inch thick
  • $1799 introduction price

Both HP Envy models also have ‘HP Clickpad’, which is a fancy name for a button-less trackpad ala Apple’s MacBook computers. There’s also an optional optical drive attachment which doubles as a ‘dock’ of sorts with two external USB ports.

Two main things that I really, really, really, absolutely need to find out include:

  • Do these two HP Envy notebooks have backlit keyboards?
    UPDATE: Nope, sadly
  • Any matte screen option for the display?
    UPDATE: No, again =(